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To the Pattern Submission

I’m a costumer and have tons of experience with patterns. Unfortunately I have no good news. A size US 2-6 would frequently equate to a pattern size 14-18, and, as you’ve discovered, this just won’t work. 

I’ve personally made TONS of patterns for plus sizes of all body types and it is not any different, but the pre-made pattern market is… small, to say the least, and getting smaller, especially in the U.S. You’re right, a size 24 is about where the buck stops. 

The best I can tell you is that it isn’t -terribly- awful sizing things up using patterns, it just requires tape, extra paper, and a clear ruler. I’d be willing to make a video of sorts demonstrating how, but only if you really want me to, as I do understand it’s a lot of trouble to go to and isn’t promised to work if the proportions for the pattern just aren’t in your favor (which SUCKS)

help fat folks find good doctors!

bigfatscience:

fatsafemedical:

Hello! This is a brand new blog for a brand new project - welcome. I decided to start this blog after years avoiding seeing doctors out of fear and anxiety - beginning in childhood, doctor’s visits have been shameful and humiliating for me. I’m always told to lose weight - regardless of the reason for the visit, and regardless of my requests to not talk about losing weight - by doctors who don’t know my story.

Fat Safe Medical’s goal is to facilitate fat people helping other fat people find good, fat-friendly medical care. Fat folks are invited to (anonymously or non-anonymously) submit reviews of doctors/medical establishments/therapists/etc; FSM will post the submissions tagged with the city/town of the doctor so that folks looking for doctors in that area can search the relevant tag.

This blog’s usefulness depends on the number of submissions it receives! If you are a fat person who’s been to a doctor, I encourage you to submit. If this gets a lot of attention, it can become a very cool resource. Reblog, circulate widely, send to your fat friends who aren’t on tumblr, send to your favorite fat acceptance blogs, show your cousin, show your date, show your dog. Thank you for your support! 

Brilliant blog idea!!! I really hope it takes off.

help fat folks find good doctors!

fatsafemedical:

Hello! This is a brand new blog for a brand new project - welcome. I decided to start this blog after years avoiding seeing doctors out of fear and anxiety - beginning in childhood, doctor’s visits have been shameful and humiliating for me. I’m always told to lose weight - regardless of the reason for the visit, and regardless of my requests to not talk about losing weight - by doctors who don’t know my story.

Fat Safe Medical’s goal is to facilitate fat people helping other fat people find good, fat-friendly medical care. Fat folks are invited to (anonymously or non-anonymously) submit reviews of doctors/medical establishments/therapists/etc; FSM will post the submissions tagged with the city/town of the doctor so that folks looking for doctors in that area can search the relevant tag.

This blog’s usefulness depends on the number of submissions it receives! If you are a fat person who’s been to a doctor, I encourage you to submit. If this gets a lot of attention, it can become a very cool resource. Reblog, circulate widely, send to your fat friends who aren’t on tumblr, send to your favorite fat acceptance blogs, show your cousin, show your date, show your dog. Thank you for your support! 

Re: Health

You know what bothers me about concern trolling (aside from being gross, factually incorrect, and fatphobic, that is)? I don’t see that level of concern displayed when I - a person with both mental and physical disabilities - join a public conversation about living with disabilities.  If these people were truly so concerned about peoples’ health that they couldn’t resist spreading misinformation about “obesity,” you’d think that they’d actually bother to check in on some other health matters.  Other than dieting “for health” or to complain about the “not all thin people are anorexic / unhealthy!!!” bunk.  So those posts are like a double whammy to me, particularly since so many of my disabilities go unacknowledged because they are invisible.

In fact, I’ve had more friends ask me about my diet than about ANY of my medical conditions, including the ever-so-fascinating and vastly misunderstood / misrepresented Narcolepsy.     

That said, I don’t expect or even want fat conversations to have anything to do with my health, except maybe in commiserating about how doctors treat heavy people; that conversation is more apt to happen in disabled conversations anyway.  If I want to talk about my health, there are plenty of places to do that and plenty of conversations to join (though I do lament the lack of secular groups, since a lot of chronically ill / disabled people find comfort in religion which doesn’t work for me, but that’s another topic entirely).

Anyway, I was reading old posts and just wanted to add my 2c to a conversation that is ever-ongoing.  

Thin privilege is being able to buy boots

I went to buy boots just a couple days ago, I was excited to see all the amazing stuff they had on sale and I fell in love with a pair of black knee high boots. I was disappointed when I tried to try them on and they just weren’t big enough for my legs. I asked the clerk if they didn’t have bigger ones and she looked at me as if I was crazy and shook her head. She was thin and tall and I could just read her mind, she was basically laughing at the fact that the boots didn’t fit me. She had obviously never went through this and couldn’t understand how difficult shopping is for people who aren’t priviliged. I went through a couple more stores but my heart sank each time because none of them had what I needed.

I couldn’t help but cry when I got back home. I felt so heartbroken to not even be able to find a pair of boots that fit me. It was humiliating to see all those thin women being able to buy anything they wanted because everything is designed to fit them, I’m an adult woman and I can’t even choose the shoes I want to wear which is ridiculous. They have way more options than me just because of their weight which enrages me and the fact that people don’t see that this kind of stuff is a real issue enrages me even more.

fatsncats:

So, yesterday’s indiegogo campaign was…amazing and kind of intense. @kiddotrue ​and I are so excited to build something really cool, and to be able to do more than we had even been dreaming about because people gave so freely.

If you’re still interested in supporting our work, please feel free to set up a monthly donation to our Patreon. Continued support like this will allow us to get paid for our work and to create more (and more interesting) content.

Thank you so much to everyone who has given and shared. We love you lots.

“Drinking water is good for your metabolism…!”

I worked for a really fatphobic woman once. She always asked me wether I really went swimming. Talked about eating and diets when I could hear her. Gave little “health” advices when I could hear her like “We should really drink enough water, it is so good for our metabolism!” and always told me to work more or faster, when I worked as fast as my thin coworkers… 

Once she even told me, that I would work so much better if I just lose some weight. She always told me how bad I was, because I was fat.

I’m not working for her anymore. And my new superior sais I’m a good worker and also compliments me for my work. She only makes jokes about weight sometimes, but she is overweight, too. She’s laughing about herself. And is happy with being bigger. And it makes me feel better about myself, too.

(Sorry, my bad english is bad!)

sourcedumal:

everydayechos:

sourcedumal:

And notice the tone the scientists researching this.

“What do you mean the fatties live longer? This CANNOT BE RIGHT DO THE STUDIES 15 MORE TIMES!”

And when they can’t figure it out, they simply say “it’s not worth reading” to keep anything POSITIVE about fat bodies from getting out into the public eye.

Because then folks might not but into the billion dollar industry for diet fads and weight loss scams that all of these obesity doctors line their pockets with.

Because then theyd actually have to start treating their fat patients like PEOPLE.

“Willett’s complaints are starting to look less credible, however, because no one has been able to make the paradox go away. One of the most popular explanations is that fat people get more aggressive treatment than thin people, because their weight raises red flags at the doctor’s office. This seems questionable: studies show that overweight and obese people tend to avoid doctors, get fewer preventive screenings, and receive worse treatment because they’re often misdiagnosed as “fat” rather than with a specific medical condition” 

Emphasis mine

Also, notice the phrasing.

“No one has been able to make the paradox go away”

They wanna get rid of that shit SO BAD. Because if fat people aren’t as OMG OBESITY CRISIS as folks love to scream, that means their fad diet scams and weight loss surgeries can’t make them millions anymore!

Fuck these obesity doctors. They outchea selling snake oil.

(via fumbledeegrumble)

jenn2hi:

thisisthinprivilege:

Current mood: Mad as hell because apparently fat people can’t get breast reductions. Are you fucking kidding me? I have giant fat sacks on my chest that makes me physically uncapable of wearing anything else than sports bras. And even sports bras don’t give the necessary support for pain-free exercise. Really? I don’t care about the bad scarring or shit like that, just God dammit I want to not be in pain! Apparently they want me, who cannot exercise pain-free, to lose weight, through exercise, before I can get smaller boobs? Like what the fuck? And even remove boobs from the equation and I have asthma and fatigue, which again, makes exercise really inconvenient and possibly dangerous.

So my choices right now are get weight loss surgery, which they can apparently do even though I’m too fat to have my boobs chopped off, or have my back and neck messed up forever. Wow, thank you doctors! Chopping up my organs is 200% a-okay but removing breast tissue and fat is apparently oh-so dangerous! The logic is weak in this one.

Go get another doctor. I was able to get my reduction at 5′3″ and 250 lbs. I had been told in my teens when I weighed 190 that I needed to lose 50 lbs first or else insurance wouldn’t cover it. I called BS on that, and in my 30s I was able to get the operation.

Current mood: Mad as hell because apparently fat people can’t get breast reductions. Are you fucking kidding me? I have giant fat sacks on my chest that makes me physically uncapable of wearing anything else than sports bras. And even sports bras don’t give the necessary support for pain-free exercise. Really? I don’t care about the bad scarring or shit like that, just God dammit I want to not be in pain! Apparently they want me, who cannot exercise pain-free, to lose weight, through exercise, before I can get smaller boobs? Like what the fuck? And even remove boobs from the equation and I have asthma and fatigue, which again, makes exercise really inconvenient and possibly dangerous.

So my choices right now are get weight loss surgery, which they can apparently do even though I’m too fat to have my boobs chopped off, or have my back and neck messed up forever. Wow, thank you doctors! Chopping up my organs is 200% a-okay but removing breast tissue and fat is apparently oh-so dangerous! The logic is weak in this one.

fatbodypolitics:

fatsncats:

@kiddotrue and I had an idea, and we need your help to make it real. 

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naamahdarling:

little-limabean:

runtrovert:

Friendly reminder that 1200 calories is the recommended amount for a 5 year old

this hit me.

another fact is that 500 calories isn’t even enough for a new born.

why did I go so long convinced that going over 500 in a day was the end of the world?

Another friendly reminder that the United States used 1,000 calorie diets as torture for political prisoners and justified it using the diet industry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/17/bush-torture-memos-commer_n_188190.html

In a footnote to a May 10, 2005, memorandum from the Office of Legal Council, the Bush attorney general’s office argued that restricting the caloric intake of terrorist suspects to 1000 calories a day was medically safe because people in the United States were dieting along those lines voluntarily.

“While detainees subject to dietary manipulation are obviously situated differently from individuals who voluntarily engage in commercial weight-loss programs, we note that widely available commercial weight-loss programs in the United States employ diets of 1000 kcal/day for sustain periods of weeks or longer without requiring medical supervision,” read the footnote. “While we do not equate commercial weight loss programs and this interrogation technique, the fact that these calorie levels are used in the weight-loss programs, in our view, is instructive in evaluating the medical safety of the interrogation technique.”

Another another friendly reminder that the Minnesota Starvation Experiment subjected adult men who were VOLUNTEERS to 1,560 calorie diets and the psychological effects were so profound that one volunteer cut three of his own fingers off and could not remember why.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Starvation_Experiment

These men were volunteers who knew exactly what they would be going through and when it would end, and who believed they were doing it for a good and moral reason (the research was used to help rehabilitate victims of starvation and famine at the end of WWII).

And these are the things we are expected to engage in FOREVER to stay at a “healthy” weight.

Reading about the Minnesota Starvation experiment was my wake-up call.  It was what kicked me out of my eating disorder.  The guy missing three fingers, whatever his name was, he was the last straw for me.

Scared me so fucking bad I stopped restricting my food that day, and never went back to it.

(via knitmeapony)

OCD can be cured by weight loss!

sadsicksadsick:

thecrazygeek-rant:

contra-indication:

thecrazygeek-rant:

fempoli:

thisisthinprivilege:

i should never underestimate a medical doctor’s ability to make me feel worse about myself and my life in a significant way.

on tuesday, i had a psychiatric appointment that was a follow up to re-evaluate my anxiety disorders (OCD, social phobia, GAD, panic disorder) and depression (atypical recurrent MDD), neither of which are well-maintained. 

the psychiatrist spent twenty minutes (the majority of the appointment) interrogating me about my weight and health status despite me trying to change the subject and reminding him that i do have a GP who i am currently seeing who takes care of issues such as whether or not my fucking knees and hips hurt and blood test results. he also asks me to go through what i ate in the past three days and became incredulous once my panic started increasing and I told him I couldn’t remember what I ate on saturday and sunday (which i honestly couldn’t). additionally, he asks about my exercise habits and doesn’t seem to be satisfied with what i say but doesn’t fight me on it.

he tells me that being fat makes you depressed and anxious. asks me if I want to see a nutritionist. inquires about my past eating disorders and treatment. seems miffed by me stating that i’ve seen the nutritionist at this institution and did not think that it would be presently helpful to see her again. 

at this point, i’ve sunk into my seat, i’m feeling humiliated and defeated. i’m giving one word answers and don’t even know how to respond at all to some of these things, and i’ve started dissociating. he briefly addresses my mental health.

on the way out, as an afterthought, he asks me if i’m feeling suicidal. i just look at him. if i hadn’t felt suicidal before this appointment, i certainly now felt suicidal walking out.

overall, an extremely disheartening experience at best. i walked out of there feeling ashamed of myself and my body. i’ve also been questioning whether i should probably stop tapering off my remaining meds because apparently i don’t need them.

i’ve been left with that familiar fear that the the problem is and has always been solely my attitude, laziness, and lack of self-control, and that’s the reason i have suffered from extreme anxiety and depression and whatever else my entire life. 

that medical professionals truly believe that if i only worked harder and dedicated my time to losing weight that i might be cured of my anxiety and depression. that i don’t have any real biological/neurological issues and its purely mind over matter and the solution is to lose weight as fast as possible, any way possible.

it has occurred to me on many occasions that the way people, and especially medical professionals, treat me has deteriorated as my weight increased. the only way i can justify this is that in their mind, being overweight/obese is a moral failing, a result of bad habits, lack of willpower, and that encouraging weight loss/glorifying thinness takes precedence over respectful and adequate treatment.

i KNOW my depression and anxiety are not a result of my BMI. otherwise,  my mental health would have improved as my weight had gone down in the past and vice versa. as my weight has fluctuated drastically throughout the years, this has not been true. i wish i didn’t feel like i have to starve myself to be treated with respect. i KNOW that diet and exercise plays a big role in maintaining a healthy lifestyle – and factors in both mentally and physically, but that’s not whats going on here. it sucks.

i’m feeling like garbage. at the moment, i’m ready to give up on it all.

this is what it’s like trying to navigate the medical system for mental health help while fat.

Sadly true. I still encounter doctors today who will refuse me my antidepressants and tell me that losing weight is a better cure…

I know anecdotal evidence is hardly helpful, but losing weight for me did majorly help with anxiety and depression.

It’s not just the confidence that can help though. When you’re bigger your hormones are released differently. Fluctuations in weight like you described can also make psychological problems worse as well.

I’m awful at helping people feel better and by no means am I trying to sound callous, but perhaps the doctor is on to something and is trying to help.

If they discussed it in a bad way, I would find a doctor who will treat you better and try to help you through what you are going through. No matter what you are going through you should be respected as a person.

I have had severe depression since I was 11. I had it when I was at my anorexic worst. I still have it today. Mental illnesses are not governed by your weight. I have plenty of confidence in myself - I still have depression and OCD and schizophrenia though. I can be a bloody genius at fixing software (which I am) but it’s not going to cure clinical depression.

Antidepressants work for me. I am seriously sick of having doctors tell me to go jogging (something I literally cannot do anyway due to back injuries) or go on a restrictive diet (not something you say to someone with a history of anorexia). Just give me my fucking meds.

If I get lucky and see my regular GP he will treat my issues. If I don’t I usually get some shit for brains who will prescribe weight loss and exercise for absolutely everything because all they see is an overweight person and thus everything must be to do with my weight.

@contra-indication

i’m not sure if you’ll see this since the tagging doesn’t seem to be working and you deleted your response, but, i’m going to say this anyway.

i am the OP. i have been diagnosed with a mental illness for over 10 years now and have experienced mental illness (depression and anxiety noted in childhood medical records) since i was 5 years old. i am turning 25 this year. so you could say i’ve been experiencing mental illness for 20 years. i have a strong family history of mental illness and my childhood environment, like for most people, was less than ideal.

this is all clearly noted in my fully up-to-date psychiatric record. i do not detect anything malicious in your tone, yet, your comment is incredibly unhelpful and missing the point(s) i was intending to make and that’s what i’m addressing here.

barring the fact that you made a comment that doesn’t really have any scientific basis (when you’re fat your hormones are released differently? what does that even mean?), this post was about the dehumanization and disrespectful treatment doled out by doctors and specifically psychiatrists who don’t adequately treat severe mental illnesses because instead of seeing an individual with complex issues in front of them, all they see is fat. 

we’ve all been inundated with the idea that all problems that fat people experience are a result of their own fat killing their body and mind. do you believe that fat people cannot experience mental illness like thin people? that thin people are genuinely suffering from medical conditions and fat people just need to lose weight? to me this seems to be clearly condescending bullshit, and yet, this is how doctors often approach fat patients, and its backed up and enforced socially by well-meaning but biased people like you. 

at least one study that i can recall has shown that the link between being overweight and depression is often caused by the way fat people are treated and the way they perceive themselves rather than there being an organic medical reason behind the common link. people are treated like shit which makes their depression worse which makes them eat more which makes them more depressed which makes other people treat them like shit and it’s a never-ending cycle. 

other than that, assuming that the connection between being fat and depressed is caused by poor nutrition and lack of exercise, again, is false because fat people can have good nutrition and exercise, and thin people vice versa. how does it make sense that mental health issues suffered by fat people can be resolved or severely ameliorated by losing enough weight? unless you believe that all the mental illnesses i’ve been diagnosed with are not valid biological/genetic phenomenons that are at least somewhat hereditary and are exclusively a result of my poor lifestyle choices which have led me to being overweight, then, well you’re ableist and very misinformed. 

if the connection between being fat and depression is about a lack of self-confidence then it would make sense that instead of encouraging people to lose weight (which hardly ever works and instead leads to more significant gains and fluctuations in overall weight), we should encourage them to respect and love themselves (which coincidentally actually often triggers a natural weight loss). even then, self-esteem issues don’t disappear and are often even exacerbated by weight loss and the trouble with dieting and maintaining a stable weight for most people who are fat or have been fat.

if you read my post you would understand that the way the doctor treated me was very poor. since i’m a patient with substantial medical history at this institution and also someone who is being monitored by a general practitioner and all my health records are up to date then it would make no sense to make 95% of the appointment about my weight. there were points in my life where my weight has been relatively stable for years (mild fluctuation but nothing severe) and i was still mentally ill. there are points where i’ve not been overweight and i’ve still been mentally ill. like i’ve said, my highest, stable weight has not resulted in the worst mental health flare-up of my life and my lowest, stable weight had not resulted in the absence of symptoms of mental illness. not even close. one thing that certainly contributes to weight gain is the medications i’m on, which are the only things that have really helped even marginally with my mental illnesses. go figure.

now, my fluctuating weight is certainly related to both my depression and anxiety issues as i have a diagnosis of EDNOS (OSFED), and these conditions all feed into each other. this is not news to me and that has been addressed time and time again, is something i even had mentioned during the appointment, and yet the doctor could not even respect me enough to accept that i was educated on the topic and doing my darnedest to manage weight fluctuations and trying to not fall into my toxic binge/fast cycle. for this reason, comorbid addictions/eating disorders with other mental illnesses are hard to treat because they exacerbate each other and it can be hard to tell where one starts and the other ends. reminding me and addressing this alone would not be wrong! despite all that, this was not the point or focus of the appointment and its not what was going on there! 

if you don’t think that nearly every single psychiatric appointment of my life that my weight has been mentioned or addressed to the point of it very obviously and explicitly negatively affecting my mental health treatment and overall self-worth and definitely impeding my willingness to continue to seek psychiatric/psychological help then you would be severely misinformed, and that was the point of my submission and reason for the existence of TITP!!

when i was thinner, i would be congratulated for my hard and necessary work even if the weight loss was directly caused by depression/anxiety/ED. if i had gained weight, no matter what, this took precedence over my mental health treatment. the respect i receive from psychiatrists is directly influenced by how much i’ve weighed. the less i’ve weighed, the more concern and empathy, and adequate/appropriate treatment i’ve received from medical professionals. if you think this constant dehumanization and disrespect from doctors i’ve been subjected to off and on in my life is something any fat person can escape, you are misinformed. if you think that this approach is necessary, helpful, and solely coming from a place of well-meaning and a wealth of scientific basis, you are misinformed. 

browse the stories and experiences submitted to TITP and you’ll see. if you think that mental illnesses like panic disorder, OCD, and severe, refractory major depressive disorder that has persisted over a span of 20 years can be cured by losing weight, then you’re again, very misinformed. 

if you think that a thin relative of mine with nearly identical diagnoses going into a psychiatrist’s office and being received with care, empathy, validation, and scientifically-backed approaches to immediately address her illnesses is fine, but i, a fat woman in the same situation, am instead humiliated and prescribed weight loss by any means possible, seems ok then, yea, you’re misinformed.

someone who is in extreme psychological distress and has lost their job because they’re compelled to spend 14 hours a day performing self-harming rituals because its the only way they know how to fend off the persistent violent images and thoughts that cycle through their head is not going to feel better if they substitute a few meals a week with a damn slimfast shake and take up yoga.

so, if you still think that the doctor was coming from a place of genuine concern, valid scientific basis, and respect for me as a human being, then i have to tell you !! that you’re !! wrong !! 

bigfatscience:

fatgirlopinions:

lulladie:

fatgirlopinions:

iamleslieknope:

fatgirlopinions:

myvenusdoomx3:

fatgirlopinions:

glennrheesmoustache:

shinytyrantrum:

glennrheesmoustache:

paprikamom:

Saying “it’s okay to want to lose weight if you’re doing it for you! uwu” makes me uncomfortable ngl

Like why are you doing it? Think about why you’re doing it. You didn’t form the opinion that you’d be happier at a lower weight in a vaccuum, you formed it in a fatphobic society.

Stop reassuring people that they can stay comfortable in their “choice” to uphold fatphobia.

The problem w weight loss being a “choice” is that the choice is absolutely influenced by fatphobia and the idea that fatness is inherently bad. Like yes, it’s your body & you can and should do what you want with it but being happy about being less fat is because of fatphobia in our society

How about I want to lose weight because its hard for me to do physical things??? I want to lose weight because i cant go up my schools flight of stairs. How about stop assuming everyones decisions about their body has to do based on looks and beauty.

Like here’s the thing: you could work on getting up a flight of stairs and being more physical without tying that exclusively to weight loss? Having goals that focus explicitly on having a smaller body are influenced by fatphobia. There’s a difference in “ I want to be healthier so I’m going to drink more water and walk more often” and “i want to be healthier so I’m going to lose weight”. If you want to be healthier have health oriented goals, not weight loss oriented ones.

^^^^ health =/= thin and fitness =/= thin
You don’t need to specifically lose weight to work on your fitness or be fit
You don’t need to specifically lose weight to be healthy or live healthier
And tying health and fitness to weight loss is fatphobic

That’s all true but @shinytyrantrum’s problem might not be the type that can be fixed simply by making muscles stronger or increasing cardiovascular endurance. Many issues with walking and obesity ARE related to weight in the sense that the sheer pressure of all your weight causes more force on your joints, leading to faster wear and tear. Very tall people can have the same problem due to their sheer mass; its not an obesity-exclusive issue. Plus, adipose cells produce inflammatory substances that can further exacerbate joint pain. Thus, its not “fatphobic” to say that losing weight could increase an individual’s health, since weight/mass (not simply “fat”) itself is causing the problem in that case. I’m not saying that is always the case, but its actually counterproductive to immediately dismiss the possibility rather than to consider it and rule it out.

No it’s still fatphobic because while joint strength is a piece of the puzzle it is not the be all end all of what is healthy
Health is defined differently by different individuals as it should be due to things like mental illnesses and chronic illnesses and diseases and disorders and disabilities, and you can do exercises and take supplements to help your joints!
And uh getting winded going up stairs is not a health thing it’s a fitness thing and yes you can get yourself to a point where you can go up stairs without being winded and still be fat like I have seen this with my own eyes
And I have been huffing and puffing on staircases next to thin ppl because they aren’t fit or they got smokers lungs or they’re older and/or not used to that degree of exercise like this is not exclusively a fat problem.

Yes but for people with weight related health issues (myself included) they shouldn’t be hated on for wanting to lose weight for THEM, and not be seen as fat phobic because they made a choice about their body.

Like I have major back issues because of weight problems. I do. Not all fat people, not just fat people. ME.

I am sick of this discourse in the community of “if you lose weight you’re betraying it” because people should be able to do what they want with their bodies if THEY CHOOSE TO.

Well I really don’t think anyone was hating on ppl who want to lose weight or telling them they’re betraying the cause
This post is about examining your reasons for weight loss and if you’re doing it because you are one of those special cases where it truly will improve your health no one’s talking about you here
Weight loss itself is steeped in fatphobia and so are many of its motivations and it’s harmful to run around equating weight loss with improved health and fitness in all cases because it perpetuates fatphobia so I don’t see how “please examine why you believe specifically weight loss is necessary” is really hating on anybody

“Weightloss itself is steeped in fatphobia”

It’s now fatphobic to want to be healthy, to get fit?  Yeah no.  You CAN be overweight and healthy, you can even be obese to a degree and still be pretty strong and healthy, but you know what?  Over time, you’re going to develop problems, primarily in your joints and organs.  That all comes later, it’s something like a ticking time bomb.  

I used to work as a surgical tech so I’ve seen exactly what fat does to organs, and it isn’t pretty.  

People who want to lose weight don’t have to “Examine” why they want to lose it.  Some of us NEED to lose it for health reasons or job functions.  For me, I have a new goal of losing it because I want to be a paramedic if I can’t go back into law enforcement.  Sure, I can do things as a paramedic while being fat, but I’ll also be taking up way too much room in an already crowded ambulance, won’t have the level of fitness I’d like to have so that I could do what needs to be done to save lives effectively.  My mom needed to lose weight so she didn’t DIE from diabetes, since back then it was so bad that death would have happened had she not had a gastric bypass.

And aside from that, most people want to lose weight so they feel at peace with themselves.  For some of us, our bodies feel like a cage, and that has nothing to do with society, but simply how things physically feel for us.  All we seek is happiness, and you try to throw bullshit in our face.  You’re just as bad as those people who pick on people because of their weight, since that’s what you’re essentially doing by trying to guilt us into your shitty views.

Internalized fatphobia is one hell of a drug

The pro-weight-loss talk in this thread ignores the scientific facts. Weight loss is almost never permanent, virtually all dieters regain the weight they lose and most regain more than they lost. It causes depression, physiological stress, psychological stress, undermines the immune system, and causes eating disorders and disordered eating. It causes poor body image, food obsessions, and low self-esteem. It also causes weight gain over time. Weight loss does not improve health. We need to stop pretending that it does. [sources can be found @bigfatscience]

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